@JoshuaYoungAEA I had never even heard of either type of mite, I opened up some of the very damaged new growth earlier today and it looked like it had tiny yellowish dust inside but it was so tiny I really couldn’t tell much, I will have to magnify it.

I am seeing no new growth on the badly effected plants and all the really bad plants were bought as bare roots, the remaining good plants are in rows I propagated myself so it’s possible they came in on the plants.

I sprayed spinosad a few days ago for the thrips and it appears to be effective for the mites too?